On this episode of Making Sense of the World, host Joel Rubin and Jonathan Katz dive deep into the state of democracy in the U.S. and abroad. They discuss the concerning speed of democratic decay in the U.S. and how that impacts the lives of individuals and communities. This episode emphasizes that democratic resilience requires strong institutions, community engagement, and civic responsibility.
Katz is a Fellow and Senior Director for the Anti-Corruption, Democracy, and Security Project at the Brookings Institute. He has spent his career at the intersection of foreign policy and democracy, serving in senior roles at the State Department, USAID, and as a national security fellow for Senator Klobuchar. Katz co-authored the Democracy Playbook 2025, which can be dowloaded for free here.
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American Democracy on Fire
We've seen this playbook before. It doesn't end well...
Aug 14, 2025

Making Sense of the World
The world is in constant chaos and America’s global leadership role is up for grabs. What happens overseas affects us back home, yet the foreign policy debates we have in Washington too often seem out of touch from the American people. That’s about to change.
Making Sense of the World, hosted by Joel Rubin, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for the Obama Administration and author of "The Briefing Book" on Substack, cuts through the Washington foreign policy debate by connecting the dots between international headlines and domestic politics. This isn't your typical foreign policy podcast—it's essential viewing for anyone who cares about how global events affect our lives and communities here in the United States. Join us for a lively show with leading foreign policy experts as they help us make sense of the world.
The world is in constant chaos and America’s global leadership role is up for grabs. What happens overseas affects us back home, yet the foreign policy debates we have in Washington too often seem out of touch from the American people. That’s about to change.
Making Sense of the World, hosted by Joel Rubin, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for the Obama Administration and author of "The Briefing Book" on Substack, cuts through the Washington foreign policy debate by connecting the dots between international headlines and domestic politics. This isn't your typical foreign policy podcast—it's essential viewing for anyone who cares about how global events affect our lives and communities here in the United States. Join us for a lively show with leading foreign policy experts as they help us make sense of the world.Listen on
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